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		<title>Comment on Linguists and Straw Men by Gabe</title>
		<link>http://www.arrantpedantry.com/2009/06/19/linguists-and-straw-men/comment-page-1/#comment-2313</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice rebuttal.  I second your point about Ms. Grundys still existing, and I once had someone complain to me that my blog was completely useless because nobody believed in the prescriptions I was arguing against anymore.  Never mind the fact that I had links to posts of prescriptivists saying exactly those things.

And wait, you can&#039;t use first-person or passive in that class?! Are you supposed to write in a pro-drop language?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice rebuttal.  I second your point about Ms. Grundys still existing, and I once had someone complain to me that my blog was completely useless because nobody believed in the prescriptions I was arguing against anymore.  Never mind the fact that I had links to posts of prescriptivists saying exactly those things.</p>
<p>And wait, you can&#8217;t use first-person or passive in that class?! Are you supposed to write in a pro-drop language?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Linguists and Straw Men by Braden</title>
		<link>http://www.arrantpedantry.com/2009/06/19/linguists-and-straw-men/comment-page-1/#comment-2312</link>
		<dc:creator>Braden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I can&#039;t believe that teacher. I really like this theme, btw. Small caps ftw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I can&#8217;t believe that teacher. I really like this theme, btw. Small caps ftw.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Scriptivists by Kevin S.</title>
		<link>http://www.arrantpedantry.com/2007/04/06/scriptivists/comment-page-1/#comment-2311</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regard to the descriptive linguists whose views and arguments I have read, here is what seems to be the template for the descriptivists&#039; attack upon anyone who remotely bears the taint of prescriptivism:

&quot;1. I am a professional linguist with a Ph.D. Here is why you are wrong. You see, the morphologically syndectic polysemy of the nominative case is actually the inverse of what [Safire; Simon; Newman... fill in the blank] claims it is [ insert other intimidating, jargon-ridden gibberish]. Therefore, he is illogical and wrong, and has made a fool of himself (with a little help from me).

2. Oh, and Shakespeare, Milton, Johnson, Boswell, and Jane Austin all used the word this way. See the OED.

3. By the way, did I mention that I have a Ph.D in linguistics?&quot;

The pattern is so obvious and predictable that I could recognize it in my sleep. If you think that that line of argument represents an improvement, in the form of &quot;education&quot;, over the assertions of ignorant and narrow-minded prescriptivists, then you are as foolish as the extremists of either party.

I am not comfortable with prescriptivism *pur et dur*. I am, however, also not convinced that that form of prescriptivism even exists, anymore. The descriptivists immolate a straw man when they invoke the &quot;Mrs. Grundys&quot; of the world, ruler ever poised in hand to rap the knuckles of anyone who dares to split an infinitive. Descriptivists need to learn the difference between making stylistic recommendations and making inflexible rules. 

On the other hand, I do believe in a standard form of English that values clarity, grace, &quot;flexible continuity&quot;, and that challenges one to master its forms--in other words, I follow the old adage, &quot;learn the rules and conventions before you break them&quot;. I will never mistake errors made out of ignorance or peer pressure for the linguistic innovations of the Elizabethans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regard to the descriptive linguists whose views and arguments I have read, here is what seems to be the template for the descriptivists&#8217; attack upon anyone who remotely bears the taint of prescriptivism:</p>
<p>&#8220;1. I am a professional linguist with a Ph.D. Here is why you are wrong. You see, the morphologically syndectic polysemy of the nominative case is actually the inverse of what [Safire; Simon; Newman... fill in the blank] claims it is [ insert other intimidating, jargon-ridden gibberish]. Therefore, he is illogical and wrong, and has made a fool of himself (with a little help from me).</p>
<p>2. Oh, and Shakespeare, Milton, Johnson, Boswell, and Jane Austin all used the word this way. See the OED.</p>
<p>3. By the way, did I mention that I have a Ph.D in linguistics?&#8221;</p>
<p>The pattern is so obvious and predictable that I could recognize it in my sleep. If you think that that line of argument represents an improvement, in the form of &#8220;education&#8221;, over the assertions of ignorant and narrow-minded prescriptivists, then you are as foolish as the extremists of either party.</p>
<p>I am not comfortable with prescriptivism *pur et dur*. I am, however, also not convinced that that form of prescriptivism even exists, anymore. The descriptivists immolate a straw man when they invoke the &#8220;Mrs. Grundys&#8221; of the world, ruler ever poised in hand to rap the knuckles of anyone who dares to split an infinitive. Descriptivists need to learn the difference between making stylistic recommendations and making inflexible rules. </p>
<p>On the other hand, I do believe in a standard form of English that values clarity, grace, &#8220;flexible continuity&#8221;, and that challenges one to master its forms&#8211;in other words, I follow the old adage, &#8220;learn the rules and conventions before you break them&#8221;. I will never mistake errors made out of ignorance or peer pressure for the linguistic innovations of the Elizabethans.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Less and Fewer by Jonathon</title>
		<link>http://www.arrantpedantry.com/2008/12/23/less-and-fewer/comment-page-1/#comment-2310</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! This is indeed one of those issues that has been beaten to death, and I&#039;m sure it&#039;s received much better treatment elsewhere, but I figured one more beating probably couldn&#039;t do too much damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! This is indeed one of those issues that has been beaten to death, and I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s received much better treatment elsewhere, but I figured one more beating probably couldn&#8217;t do too much damage.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Less and Fewer by mighty red pen</title>
		<link>http://www.arrantpedantry.com/2008/12/23/less-and-fewer/comment-page-1/#comment-2309</link>
		<dc:creator>mighty red pen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meh ... I&#039;ve blogged about this, too, but if there is one rule I never care to see again it&#039;s the less/fewer rule--it seems that it&#039;s one of these ones that peevologists rather simplistically invoke. For example, it seems as though everyone has a beef with &quot;10 items or less&quot; signs at the supermarket. Okay, we get it!

I like this comment you made: &quot;People will find any excuse they can to discriminate against others, and language provides an easy way to distinguish those in the know from everyone else.&quot; It sums up nicely another peeve I have lately about strident &quot;grammar nazis,&quot; which is the way in which they tend to divide the world into &quot;stupid people who don&#039;t know grammar&quot; versus &quot;smart people who do.&quot; It&#039;s just not that simple, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh &#8230; I&#8217;ve blogged about this, too, but if there is one rule I never care to see again it&#8217;s the less/fewer rule&#8211;it seems that it&#8217;s one of these ones that peevologists rather simplistically invoke. For example, it seems as though everyone has a beef with &#8220;10 items or less&#8221; signs at the supermarket. Okay, we get it!</p>
<p>I like this comment you made: &#8220;People will find any excuse they can to discriminate against others, and language provides an easy way to distinguish those in the know from everyone else.&#8221; It sums up nicely another peeve I have lately about strident &#8220;grammar nazis,&#8221; which is the way in which they tend to divide the world into &#8220;stupid people who don&#8217;t know grammar&#8221; versus &#8220;smart people who do.&#8221; It&#8217;s just not that simple, I think.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do You Agree That We Ask for Your Consent? by Jonathon</title>
		<link>http://www.arrantpedantry.com/2009/01/27/do-you-agree-that-we-ask-for-your-consent/comment-page-1/#comment-2308</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes. How silly of me to forget that.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Do You Agree That We Ask for Your Consent? by Rivka</title>
		<link>http://www.arrantpedantry.com/2009/01/27/do-you-agree-that-we-ask-for-your-consent/comment-page-1/#comment-2307</link>
		<dc:creator>Rivka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to incompetence” most assuredly does not apply to anything having to do with taxes. Evil is always assumed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to incompetence” most assuredly does not apply to anything having to do with taxes. Evil is always assumed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do You Agree That We Ask for Your Consent? by Braden</title>
		<link>http://www.arrantpedantry.com/2009/01/27/do-you-agree-that-we-ask-for-your-consent/comment-page-1/#comment-2305</link>
		<dc:creator>Braden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s horrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s horrible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do You Agree That We Ask for Your Consent? by Jonathon</title>
		<link>http://www.arrantpedantry.com/2009/01/27/do-you-agree-that-we-ask-for-your-consent/comment-page-1/#comment-2303</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That did cross my mind, but I wasn&#039;t sure that the confusion would really help them much. And anyway, how&#039;s that saying go? Something like &quot;Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to incompetence&quot; or some much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That did cross my mind, but I wasn&#8217;t sure that the confusion would really help them much. And anyway, how&#8217;s that saying go? Something like &#8220;Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to incompetence&#8221; or some much.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do You Agree That We Ask for Your Consent? by rivka</title>
		<link>http://www.arrantpedantry.com/2009/01/27/do-you-agree-that-we-ask-for-your-consent/comment-page-1/#comment-2299</link>
		<dc:creator>rivka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may well be deliberate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may well be deliberate.</p>
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